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A more inclusive and diverse plan? readers sound off

In Uncategorized on January 23, 2009 at 12:03 pm

MIKE said…

Well lets see – the Westfield pool complex has a lap pool, so does the ridgewood plan; the westfield complex has a diving pool, so does the ridgewood plan; westfield has a kiddie pool, as does the ridgewood plan; westfield has a twisting 2 lane slide; looks like a slide on ridgewood plan; westfield has concession/bath building, funny so does ridgewood plan. maybe, fly, you need your eyes checked. or perhaps you should get out of your house and go down and take a look at the westfield pool. while it has many of the same planned play/swim areas as Ridgewood, what it does not have is a one of a kind lake/tree island feature. it also does not have the swim to feature in the pool closest to the concession building, nor does it have the meandering lazy river feature, designed to offer parklike attributes as well as a volume of space for moving about, standing, relaxing. Now that you point it out Fly, you are right; while westfield town and its pool complex has many similarities to ridgewood, it would seem we have a better town and a more inclusive and diverse plan. Thanks for your thoughts.

and the answer ………

Hey Mike,

The swim load of the proposed pool is 2100. 8,000 membership is required to make bond payments and cover the cost of opperating this new pool. Even if only 25% of the membership shows up, there will be no room for “moving about and relaxing”. “Standing” sure.

The diving pool and plunge pool are not meant for swimming, they are drop zones, then get out quick. The other pools are kiddie pools, only getting to a depth of 3-4 ft in the center by the giant water jungle gyms.

The only adult pool is an 8 lane lap pool that will be closed to the public M-F in the afternoons for Ridgewood Swim Team practice and and some evenings for meets.

That’s a diversive and inclusive plan?

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  1. Closing the swim lanes for swim team practice cloes the pool to others who want to swim. This cuts the amount of people who can use the pool.

    It will be much harder for the life guard to do their job if there are so many areas for them to guard. So I think it is a mistake to go for all the bells and whistles of a resort.

    Small kids are not the only ones who want to use the pool. You need to appeal to the teenagers.

  2. It seems like a lot of numbers are being thrown around without much explanation about what they mean. If membership reaches 8000 and they all show up on the same day (highly unlikely), how many would reasonably be expected to be in the water at one time? I don’t know the answer to that but even on the hottest days it is clear that there are more people out of the water than in the water at any given time. This is an important metric for assessing feasability.

  3. Graydon, as it is now, is a disgrace. Residents have been staying away in increasing numbers for years, partially due to the facility itself, but primarily due to people getting tired of having their kids wake up the next moring with some varient of “Graydon disease”. The water can’t chlorinated to an appropriate level due to the effect on the Ho-Ho-Kus brook. The waterfowl can’t be permanently removed due to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. If we don’t want to improve the facility or it isn’t economically feasible (how about asking the Feds for some stimulus money?), then maybe we should fill the pool in and make it a park. Of course, we could always sell the property to pay for other things we need around the village.

  4. You want action…. I do… tell the Village Council to shut Graydon down NOW… don’t waste and more prep money for next two seasons.

    That will will expedite things quickly I guarantee.

    Village should hired an “Outside Auditor” to review the financing process NOW and be reassured it can be done.

    Village should look for a 2010 not 2011 reopening that will encourage commitments more quickly to provide the income for an improved GRAYDON pool.

    All seniors and other guests should be responsible for memberships. No more free loaders!

  5. “maybe we should fill the pool in and make it a park.”

    Perhaps town should close it, sell location to private coroporation and let it become a private swim club.

    At 13.9 million and nearly $1,000 a season, that’s what it looks like anyway.

  6. i just wanna know for 14 million do we still get the 300grand toilets at vets field?

  7. id like to see the pool upated but this price tag is just dumb

  8. 9:57 “Even on the Hottest days, more people are out of the water than in the water” Really? Did you take a head count.

    Swim load means how many can fit in the pool standing shoulder to shoulder. This pool can not accomadate comfortably an 8,000 membership

    How about this. Let’s redesign a pool that is basic, no bells and whistles, can accomodate more people. We have a lower price tag. Less pressure to sell so many badges? A more comfortable swimming environment and people get to see their toes when they swim. I believe the word is called COMPROMISE

  9. I went to the Open House. I washed as the women nodded their heads in agreement. Ewwwwing and Ahhhhhing over the design. Clapping and saying thank you.

    Does anyone not think critically anymore? I don’t mean criticize. I mean think critically.

    The numbers just don’t add up. The proposed pool has a swim load of 2100 people (standing shoulder to shoulder). There is pressure here to sell 8,000 memberships to pay for this pool. Even if only 25% of that membership shows up on any given day, it will be filled to capacity. An overly crowded pool is uncomfortable and unsafe. A person who feels packed in one year may not renew their membership the next. The town won’t care, they have memberships to sell to pay for it.

    WHY cant we have a more basic design, that can fit more people, cost less money, a lower badge quota to fill, so everyone can be happy. Do we really need jaqcuzzi jets? (Yes I said jaqcuzzi jets with bench seating)

  10. 11:17 AM said..”All seniors and other guests should be responsible for memberships. No more free loaders!”

    That statement irks me! Calling SENIORS free loaders! Shame, Shame Shame on YOU!

    SENIORS ARE NOT FREE LOADERS!
    SENIORS PAY FULL TAXES TOO!
    SENIORS DO NOT HAVE KIDS IN SCHOOL SYSTEM!
    SENIORS ARE LONG TIME VILLAGE RESIDENTS THAT DIDN’T JUST USE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO ADVANTAGE AND MOVE OUT LATER WHEN KIDS GRADUATED, SENIORS STAYED ON AND CONTINUE TO PAY TAXES!
    MOST SENIORS DO NOT EVEN USE THE POOL!
    SENIORS HAVE CONTRIBUTED OVER THE YEARS TO THE COMMUNITY, AND CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY!

    GET THIS – If you live in Ridgewood, you need a pretty decent income to continue to stay on and retire here!

    DO NOT BASH SENIORS WITH YOUR STATEMENT -“NO MORE FREE LOADERS”! IF THE VILLAGE OFFERS FREE MEMBERSHIP FOR SENIORS – THEY’RE ENTITLED TO IT!

    IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE VC OR AT TOWN HALL!
    🙂

  11. The seniors should go to the meeting and yell they can’t afford any more property taxes.

    At least the seniors don’t have to worry that they will offend the “ladies who lunch” who put this together.

    Ridgewood needs it’s gray panthers to get organized.

  12. I agree with you 2:01PM. Seniors do not have kids in school learning crappy math, and they have to pay the full freight of taxes. A free swim membership is just small potatoes.

  13. do we have the money for this.how can we

  14. The VC and the BOE should be made up entirely of seniors. Maybe then we’d have our feet firmly planted on the ground.

  15. its long overdue that the seniors and those without children in schools need to organize to stop all of the wasteful spending in the village. Long time residents (WHO are directly responsible for the quality/character of this town) should not be displaced by the newbies who come here for 10 years, vote yes on every foolish school budget, piss away tax money on new soccer fields for their brats, then beat feet out of town the day their last rug rat graduates from RHS and leave the rest of us with their tax bill.

  16. att,to all we the tax people do not have the money for this.we can not let this go forward at a time like this.I hope the ridgewood news and the record are reading the blog.the town keeps saying we are broke.how the hell did this happen.

  17. The $13Million pool Tax Burden CAN NOT HAPPEN!

    It will NOT Happen!

    We the Taxpayers will NOT Let It Happen!

    Email All VC members. Let them know your opinions!

    Attend the VC 1/28,7:30pm VOICE YOUR Opinions!

    Demand Accountability from your elected officials.

  18. If the swim team wants a year round pool then they should raise the money. Field sports wanted turf and they raised the money to turf Maple.

  19. The last renovation at RHS initially included a swimming pool. The vocal minority yelled and screamed that it was a waste of money and the BOE caved in and withdrew the concept upon the first bond issue being defeated saving $400,000. (estimated cost of the pool at that time by the Architects.) Now we’re looking at $13.9 million because we don’t have a pool for our Health and Phys Ed Departments and we have a person who is very involved in the Ridgewood Swim Team Programs helping to shape the project. (Which I have no problem with) The swim people have made no secret of their wants/needs for a year around indoor swim facility. To think that eventually the lap pool proposed for Graydon will remain “open” would be ignorant. If you think the proposal looks like Wally World now, just wait until the plexiglass bubble gets built over the top of the lap pool.

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