teachers’ compensation and benefits should reflect the fact that they generally enjoy 2 months more vacation than most other workers in the USA

In Uncategorized on November 15, 2008 at 8:22 pm

You are incorrect. You get three months off because, school is only in session for 9 months. Most parents would like to see school in session more often. I don’t think that the previous poster was complaining about how much vacation time teachers get. Rather the post asked teachers not to complain of long hours in light of their short work year, compared to virtually every other profession.

Be that as it may, teachers’ compensation and benefits should reflect the fact that they generally enjoy 2 months more vacation than most other workers in the USA. As such their compensation should not be equal to a that of a similar professional, who works 11 months a year.

Furthermore, the original thread on this issue was supporting some measure of “performance based compensation” in the public school system (not about teachers’ short work year). There is no viable reason not to base some or all of a teacher’s compensation on his or her performance. This will ensure that the best teachers are rewarded appropriately and the weaker teachers are also compensated according to their under-performance.

Finally, tenure and guaranteed annual wage increases MUST be terminated. Look at the state of our auto industry. There is no question that the UAW’s negotiated labor contracts are the primary reason our auto industry can’t make money. It is easy to blame poor management or poor quality cars. But, the fact is that neither of those arguments are really valid. Over the past 50 years, many management leaders have come and gone in the auto industry. Some have been hailed as models for managers in other industries to emulate. Others have been less effective. Similarly, the 1950s and 1960s produced some great cars. Since the late 1980s, we have also seen some great models. The 1970’s and early 1980s were really the only periods, where the American auto industry failed to build good cars.

So, what has been the common thread through boom and bust times, good and bad management and good and bad vehicle quality? It has been the negotiated labor demands of the UAW. The UAW has saddled Detroit with such a legacy cost burden over the past 50 years, that GM is sometimes called an “HMO that makes cars”. The UAW has made some concessions in recent years. But, it is not enough to salvage the industry…witness the current crisis. The ONLY solution is one in which the union no longer holds the industry hostage, much as the NJEA does for public school systems in NJ. There are plenty of example of non-union manufacturing in the USA that pays very high wages and produces high quality, low cost products. These companies are clear examples that unions are not needed to ensure a fair wage and competitive product.

So it is with public teaching in NJ. The NJEA is killing public education in NJ. The best teachers, who work hard and do a good job, have no reason to fear a work place without the NJEA. It is only those , who want to skate through their careers, striving to do only what is required (and in some cases not satisfying that requirement) that have anything to fear. Take a look around and notice what is happening in the auto industry. It is happening in NJ public education too. And, it is the NJEA that is to blame. If we don’t make a change pretty damn quick, our school systems will follow the auto industry down the tubes, and our children will pay the ultimate cost.

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  1. it makes no ifference because of the internet public education is a white elephant…its over good teachers will still be in demand using the internet as an interface or for lab work but the rest of this is out moded 19th century time wasting

  2. tenure should be revoke

  3. I get more vacation time and holidays then you do.

    I also don’t have to pay for health care.

    AND I get a pension when I retire.


    Don’t you wish you were a teacher?

  4. BRAVO! This poster is 100% correct. Now, what can we do to abolish the NJEA? History shows us that unions served a purpose a long time ago, but are no longer necessary. The power has shifted from “slave labor” bosses to union bosses.
    The last time the BOE and REA were negotiating a contract, the teachers went house to house to gain support. Who is going to tell their child’s teacher that they do not agree with their demands? Why should teachers get virtually free health insurance when most employers have shifted the cost to employees? But, alas, what school board is going to be the first to say “no”?

  5. 7:52
    The teachers went house to house for support.

    Did they get it? I guess so.
    Did they threaten the homeowners for the support?
    Generaly speaking most parents like their child’s teachers. There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part it true.

    Why do ONLY SOME people keep bashing teachers, when most of the town supports them?

  6. I7:52am,

    I think Bob Hutton should man up and tell the unions, “No.”

    We’re all in agreement that his abrasive condescending manner towards parents has proven effective.

    Dare we suggest that he employ the same, no-nonsense, attributes to the union negotiating table.

    We’ll be in firm hands with Bob leading the BOE in teacher contract talks. Not to worry.

  7. 8:32 –

    You are unbelievable…

    Only you would consider holding teachers to a performance standard to be “bashing”

    (But we all know that you do not really consider it “bashing” you are just using dishonest tactics in an attempt to garner sympathy and protect your “guaranteed income”)

  8. Unions are a cancer on our society. Even when they fail (Detroit auto industry; public schools)they still want to survive. Notice how the head of the auto union just came out saying that the union will make no concessions as a condition for a taxpayer bailout.

    What planet do these people work on?

    So, are we to ask an auto worker, say, in Tennessee, making $45 per hour to subsidize one in Democrat-run Michigan screwed up union state making $70. per hour with health care for life, etc.

    Do you really think that he should pay the tab for his brethren up North? A little “redistribution of the wealth” perhaps.

    So Democrats…how long do you think America will last under rules like these?

  9. Ditto as to 7:13’s comments on tenure; teachers should have to contribute towards their health care benefits and no more free spousal healthcare coverage in the retirement package. Yeah, it hurts but that’s what the private sector deals with! Yep, also agree that when you don’t work a full calendar year, that should be reflected in your annual salary.

  10. Here’s something from another post.

    “Aren’t Senators and Presidents public employees? (they don’t even have a Union).
    They never talk about cutting their benefit packages to help the taxpayer.
    Why should other public employees(teachers) be singled out?”

    And Senators and Presidents don’t have to work 25 years to get the benefits, spouses included.

  11. No one is “bashing” teachers here and these comment have absolutely NOTHING to do with whether or not parents like their children’s teachers. It is a little disturbing to read the defensive (borderline antagonistic) tone of the teachers’ comments above.

    Clearly the post is about the fact that unions are not only unnecessary, but they are a very destructive and expensive force within society today. While they served a valid purpose decades ago, that need no longer exists today.

    The point of the original post, which seems to be supported by the overwhelming majority of responses, is that the unions have killed the US auto industry and they are doing the same to public school systems across the country. The post is attempting to open people’s eyes to the reality that is unfolding right before our eyes. To those who think it OK to support the NJEA’s tactics, I ask, why do you think we have to raise taxes EVERY year to pay for the school budget? We have an opportunity to learn from what is happening in Detroit and take action, before it happens in our own school district.

    Of course it won’t happen exactly like it is in Detroit. The school district won’t file for bancruptcy or get a bail out from the government. No, what will happen here is that we will be so underfunded that we will be forced to cut part of the curriculum or part of the sports program from RHS. Or, we won’t be able to pay for the new classroom or new computers. Or, we won’t be able to fix a crumbling wall or leaky roof. Or, maybe we won’t be able to repair a damaged field or pay for buses to transport the students. The bailout won’t come from the Treasury, it will come from every taxpayer in Ridgewood, in the form of some special tax, in combination with some private donations.

    We are dangerously close to this point right now, THIS YEAR. I wonder if our collective community, including the teachers, will just sit by and watch it happen, or whether we will have the courage to say “we have had enough and our kids deserve something better”.

  12. PRIVATIZE our schools. Create competition. School choice for parents.

    Special schools for special children. Let the marketplace work.


  13. 7:25
    Well said!

  14. Wow, these people are amazing. You’d think their children were being schooled in the ghetto. They should be grateful for the education their kids are getting. As a matter of fact, I can assure you that’s why the majority of them moved to Ridgewood or the surrounding areas to begin with.

    Why don’t you try this? If you can’t afford the taxes, stop whining and move to a low income, low tax town. Then you’ll you can moan about having to pay to send your kids to a private school!!!

  15. I think that everyone knew that teachers have the summer off. It was that way when we all went to school.It has been factored into their salaries.

  16. 7:25 Amen! I agree. The teachers union is holding the taxpayers hostage. Most parents know who the good, bad and mediocre teachers are — they discuss it! So why should it be so difficult to evaluate teachers? Let’s not just pick on the teacher’s here. All public employees including those in Washington need to earn their paychecks. Congress, the Freeholders of this County all get themselves some nice raises when the rest of us are struggling along as best we can year after year.

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